Friday, November 9, 2007

Islamist Tries to Snow The Snowman

These guys are just too funny. I posted my thoughts on why the Muslim oft-repeated statement about allah being the same entity as Yahweh was wrong. I listed 4 major reasons..having limited space.

I got a comment on the thread that is quintessentially 'muslim' in its lack of logic and honesty.

First of all these are the points I made:

1. Allah does not enter time and space to communicate with his creation. Yahweh has numerous contacts with his creation, beginning with Adam in the garden continuing through the incarnation in Jesus and culminating in the presence of the Holy Spirit in believers today. This is undeniably a deal breaker in the attempt to argue for identity of Allah and Yahweh.

2. Allah is not constrained by concepts such as logic and reason, he can produce evil, he delights in punishing those who do not believe, yet it is oddly said that he is merciful.

Yahweh is unchanging, always forgiving, always good and always faithful. Yahweh demonstrates love and compassion those who deny him, giving them many opportunities to return to His love.

It was this consistent faithfulness that Abraham relied upon when God told him to sacrifice Isaac...But God had promised to bless Abraham with multitudes of descendants through Isaac. Abraham knew he could rely on God's promise and that somehow God would make this work -- A much different and infinitely more profound story than that of the Abraham written of in the Quran, who submitted to an apparently monstrous command by Allah without any reason to believe Allah would or could make good on his promise. This difference between obedience and submission is food for a lot of conversation.

3. Names: Allah is not a name, but a title, where Yahweh is the personal name of God. If Allah gave the scriptures to the Jews, why isn't Allah mentioned once? Yahweh is mentioned thousands of times in the Bible.

4. Muslims account for the differences between the three faiths by insisting the Bible has been corrupted. On its face, this is a preposterous argument, since the Bible is not just believed to be scrupulously accurate, but historically and verifiably so. Allah's document came through one man, has no documentation even remotely close to the Bible verification.

Interestingly, the Quran says the Bible was not corrupted at the time of when exactly did this 'corruption' occur? And given the fact that we have early manuscripts of the Bible available from 100 AD, we also have the astounding comparison of Dead Sea scrolls showing the Bible hasn't been 'corrupted' from Jesus time forward.

muhairi8 said...

POINT 3 -- notice that he skipped over POINT 1 and POINT 2. Rather important issues, really. He jumps down to what the word allah means. No mention that allah doesn't enter our world, and that allah is fickle, uncaring, and frankly evil.

First let me start with something, the Arab Christians use the word Allah, actually you can find the word Allah in the Arabic Bible.

"Allah is not a name"

Actually it is a name. Logic failing...just tell a whopper--maybe they'll believe it.

"If Allah gave the scriptures to the Jews, why isn't Allah mentioned once? "

It is in the Arabic Bible because Allah is an Arabic word for God or "the God".

So he first says that the title allah is a name (a personal name) then he says it is the word for "the god"( a title). This poor fellow is very confused. Sure when Arab Christians read their TRANSLATION of the Bible, God is rendered Allah because it is the correct usage of the title. That isn't God's personal name. God's personal name is Yahweh....used several thousand times in the Bible--not one time in Quran. You don't find the word allah in Hebrew Bible.


"Interestingly, the Quran says the Bible was not corrupted at the time of Mohammed"

Really can you show me the verse? You are kidding, right? Why then are you admonished to read it?

Let me explain to you something, I know that Muslims always say that the Bible was corrupted but when you ask them how they don't know. That's because it is not true. Simple.

I will give you an example:
If you asked me do I believe in the Arabic Quran, I will say Yes because it is the same language that God "Allah" and the same way that it was revealed ... Oh, right, the magic-holy-language-of-Arabic argument. There isn't much of a 'revelation' if nobody can understand it, is there?

but if you asked me do I believe in the Translation of the Quran I will say No, because it is a translation made by Humans who do mistakes or get programed. And all this time, I thought your allah was so powerful he protected his revelation... Do you even know what translation means?

For example the KJV has many errors in it and it is not the first translation, it is a translation of many other translations: The big " I know you are, but what am I?" argument. Scary! And btw, Hebrew to English equals one translation..not "many". Poor guy is a little challenged in the mathematics area as well


About the Quran would you like me to explain any misunderstanding to you?It will be my honor to do so. So let's dispense with facts and thinking and just let you help me swallow this big bolus of sh**. Not gonna happen ;o)

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